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Plantie [Final Case Review And Questions Answered]
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After a full investigation I am posting the results. But first of all I want to answer questions that were given by some players. 



Q. Plantie had his right to do it. The bow was taken from him. 
A. This is not about the bow. Instead of scamming people and doing damage Plantie, could have as well submitted a thread of complaints. What you are going to see below, this was not about the bow actually, the bow is an excuse. 


QQ. ChinaTown is taking sides. OR: ChinaTown promised not to review scam cases but now he does. 
A. I don't take sides. Everyone receives support when they ask for it and when it is based on serious issues. I am directing this to all clans. Before pointing 1 finger at me, look at how many fingers are looking back at you in your fist. You all needed some sort of technical help / support and you received it when/ if possible. All of you. My sincere care and effort through all this time was to provide the best experience possible and not to support any specific individual. 

QQ. Why help them? It is their own fault.
RageQuit NEVER asked for my help. Nor do I view it as their fault, as they were scammed by somebody they thought they knew very well after spending a lot of time with them in a very long period of time both on voice and in-game. RageQuit, by the way,  actually asked their clan members not to communicate this problem to me. I took on this task volunterily for 5 main reasons:


  1. The sheer scale of the scam that you are about to witness and the damage done made me to do my best to prevent any further damage done to the whole server community. 
  2. To eliminate the dangerous person from the community and protect every single one of YOU. 
  3. To prevent the potential of a huge RMT trading. 
  4. And if I am at it and doing it anyways, why not then provide support to RageQuit whose property was destroyed and refund them what was lost? You would never want your enemy have it, but think for a second if YOU wanted that had you been the ones scammed. And then think that we are all human beings. 
  5. I also wanted to keep RageQuit engaged in the game and not lose motivation which is beneficial to RageQuit as well as the WHOLE server which is YOU.
Q. Why don't we ban people that were logged by Plantie?
A. Accounts were logged by Plantie not to perform illegal activities with them, hence not compromise them, but to rob them. So why should we punish the victims?


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Anyway if Plantie will get banned and China will give back items that was scammed taken or whatever. Then China will have to give back many other stuff lost in same way. He did that before and then he changed rules. Now we are bending rules or changing just because he wants?


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No. If you use common sense, to understand that rules are not meant to be bent, however nor to be followed blindly in an idiotic way, instead of just typing, you will soon realize, that there are actually people with good intentions. And saving a clan in the server and removing a scammer from the server, to protect you all, including you and  for the good of the whole server is one of them. 


I don't take sides and I generally don't trust people. Because people have emotional attachments and ties. Machines, however, are emotionless and don't lie. So let's see what machines have to tell us. 


This is apprx. 40% of people scammed by Plantie and the list of items that Plantie stole: 

G5


11/18/2016 23:36:51.720 Shield of Nightmare (Sealed) taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 15175209)
11/18/2016 23:36:51.736 Dark Crystal Gloves taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 15173180)
11/18/2016 23:36:51.751 Dark Crystal Robe taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 15173176)
11/18/2016 23:36:51.767 Homunkulus Sword [ACUMEN] taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 9515937)
11/18/2016 23:36:51.783 Dark Crystal Helmet Taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 12844356)
11/18/2016 23:36:51.798 186918 Adena taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 8585548)
11/18/2016 23:36:51.798 Dark Crystal Boots [ROBE] taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 9846107)
11/18/2016 23:37:27.555 349659 Ancient Adena taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 8647612)
11/18/2016 23:37:27.571 Majestic Earring Sealed taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 20257006)
11/18/2016 23:37:27.587 Majestic Necklace Sealed taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 19403210)
11/18/2016 23:37:27.649 Majestic Ring Sealed taken from G5 by Plantie (item tag id 20336853)

Loula

11/18/2016 14:29:24.789 1000 Dimensional Fragments (item tag id 16368045)
11/18/2016 15:30:38.708 100 million adena taken (item tag id 5302109)
11/18/2016 23:52:07.599 Majestic Boots Robe taken (item tag id 15795332)
11/18/2016 23:52:07.599 Imperial Shield taken (item tag id 7333948)
11/18/2016 23:53:23.986 Arcana Mace Acumen taken (item tag id 7235734)

pr4r4b4s

11/19/2016 03:30:20.267 Frintezza's Necklace (item tag id 20145889)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.791 Arcana Mace (item tag id 12836415)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.791 Major Arcana Circlet (item tag id 20864963)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.807 Major Arcana Boots (item tag id 20864958)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.822 Major Arcana Gloves (item tag id 20864954)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.838 Major Arcana Robe (item tag id 20864952)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.838 Spiritual Eye (item tag 20690069)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.854 Shield Of Nightmare (item tag 18185210)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.854 Tateossian Ring (item tag 17680617)
11/19/2016 03:31:05.869 Adena (30000000) (item tag 15050710)

deltazero

11/18/2016 23:57:23.863 Infernal Master (item tag id 19108179)
11/18/2016 23:57:23.894 Majestic Ring(item tag id 18283930)
11/18/2016 23:57:51.057 Ancient Adena (8994650) (item tag id 18874166)
11/18/2016 23:58:06.184 Strider Mount (item tag id 20271179)
Tallum Robes set + 200 million Adena deleted by Plantie at 11/18/2016 23:58:06.184

Goratrix

11/19/2016 01:11:08.347 Avadon Robe (item tag id 2043180)
11/19/2016 01:11:10.191 Avadon Gloves (item tag id 2051963)
11/19/2016 01:11:15.411 Avadon Boots (item tag id 2057580)
11/19/2016 01:11:40.305 Avadon Circlet (item tag id 2041944)
11/19/2016 01:11:45.415 Mysterious Sword Acumen (item tag id 5273509)
11/19/2016 01:11:51.088 Ring Of Black Ore (item tag id 21439705)
11/19/2016 01:12:12.799 Adena (312315) (item tag id 21830616)

initas

11/19/2016 02:33:34.700 Keshanberk*Keshanberk duals (item tag id 8517316)
11/19/2016 02:33:37.184 Heavy Armour Of Nightmare (item tag id 2775119)
11/19/2016 02:33:38.513 Gauntlets Of Nightmare (item tag id  2775124)
11/19/2016 02:33:39.873 Boots Of Nightmare (item tag id 2775125)
11/19/2016 02:33:41.311 Helmet Of Nightmare (item tag id 2775121)
11/19/2016 02:33:56.392 Sealed Majestic Ring (item tag id 19735074)
11/19/2016 02:34:13.363 Adena (2637520) (item tag id 2127191)
11/19/2016 02:34:16.941 Sealed Majestic Necklace (item tag id 16453131)

sp1r1tdragon 

11/19/2016 00:07:00.217 Dark Crystal Robe (item tag id 17091402)
11/19/2016 00:07:00.217 Dark Crystal Helmet (item tag id 17038417)
11/19/2016 00:07:00.233 Dark Crystal Gloves (item tag id  17038429)
11/19/2016 00:07:00.233 Dark Crystal Boots (item tag id  17038438)
11/19/2016 01:01:07.851 Arcana Mace (item tag id 19666687)
11/19/2016 01:02:07.331 Tateossian Ring (item tag id 17770819)
11/19/2016 01:02:29.226 Tateossian Ring (item tag id 17770820)
11/19/2016 01:03:17.951 Tateossian Necklace (item tag id 5028446)
11/19/2016 01:03:19.390 Tateossian Earring (item tag id 17770817)
11/19/2016 01:04:30.635 Imperial Crusader Shield (item tag id 18189989)
11/19/2016 01:07:32.920 Adena (62711943)


I have reports piling up even from non RageQuit members about other Plantie's scams which I have finished researching. Unique item tag ids are attached to every single one of them which will prevent RMT trading. And again, this is just 40%. These tags are the reason why some players are so worried and defensive of Plantie. As long as these items exist, they will lead directly to its current owners. 

I said it many times - we are all for transparency. And if you are expecting GMs to be honest and transparent, we expect the same from you. 

What did Plantie do when he robbed his clan? 

Well let's check the chatlog shall we:

Plantie is here as "Itemesrino"

[11/19/2016 19:32:16] Itemesrino: so u need nothing else from all the items i showed you??

[11/19/2016 19:32:21] Itemesrino: and told u
[11/19/2016 19:45:13] -> *name hidden*: offer for carnage bow
[11/19/2016 19:48:15] Itemesrino: so
[11/19/2016 19:48:18] Itemesrino: what else i hve
[11/19/2016 19:48:29] Itemesrino: the correct answer is  what do u need? i have everything
[11/19/2016 19:48:36] Itemesrino: ah small amount Big Grin
[11/19/2016 19:48:58] Itemesrino: what do u need ?
[11/19/2016 19:49:04] Itemesrino: i have shields / other sealed item
[11/19/2016 19:49:52] Itemesrino: np hf
[11/19/2016 19:56:20] Itemesrino: need anything ?
[11/19/2016 19:57:06] Itemesrino: adena
[11/19/2016 19:57:06] Itemesrino: ews
[11/19/2016 19:57:26] Itemesrino: need tt set +3 unsealed?
[11/19/2016 19:57:28] Itemesrino: got 7 sets
[11/19/2016 19:57:34] Itemesrino: actually 6* now
[11/19/2016 19:58:18] Itemesrino: kk


This thread will be updated when / if needed. 
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#2
While I think it's wrong of you to refund the items, I am glad that the scammer is caught and will be taken care of.
This should serve as a reminder why you should not share your accounts guys.
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#3
So there's no RMT after all. Imho the size of the scam doesn't matter, Plantie deserves his ban but you shouldn't refund the items!
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(11-26-2016, 12:40 AM)Brittle Wrote:
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So there's no RMT after all. Imho the size of the scam doesn't matter, Plantie deserves his ban but you shouldn't refund the items!

I wonder what a player would do with this many items.. Hmm.
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(11-26-2016, 12:32 AM)Warden Wrote:
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While I think it's wrong of you to refund the items, I am glad that the scammer is caught and will be taken care of.
This should serve as a reminder why you should not share your accounts guys.

I completely agree with you. Lineage 2 is a beautiful game. Not only the frontend. Koreans have done a lot of work and put a lot of effort to encrypt your passwords. But all this becomes useless if you just give away your plain password. It is like putting in armoured doors and leaving them open. 
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Whether it's a rich clan or some poor guy, you need to treat everyone the same. If you return the items to RQ you should do the same for everyone else. It's the right thing to do
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(11-26-2016, 12:46 AM)Brittle Wrote:
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Whether it's a rich clan or some poor guy, you need to treat everyone the same. If you return the items to RQ you should do the same for everyone else. It's the right thing to do

The items are returned mainly because I was going down the same path anyways. It was about catching the scammer, not returning items. But having all that information collected, items may as well be returned in this case. Also, this is not the first time, there is an exception to that rule made on other serious grounds. In the end it is not a rule, but a warning, that we don't have time and will not be able to do the refunding. 
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(11-26-2016, 12:42 AM)ChinaTown Wrote:
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So there's no RMT after all. Imho the size of the scam doesn't matter, Plantie deserves his ban but you shouldn't refund the items!

I wonder what a player would do with this many items.. Hmm.

Wild guess: He wanted to corner the A/S grade Soul/Spiritshot market with all those crystals.
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#9
why he did this?
"Tallum Robes set + 200 million Adena deleted by Plantie at 11/18/2016 23:58:06.184"
cant understand.... deleted... madness...

RMT is hard to prove?

[11/19/2016 19:57:06] Itemesrino: adena - this can be a marker? selling adena?
Or did he write down "i sell these things for USD, EUR etc"?
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(11-26-2016, 12:49 AM)ChinaTown Wrote:
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In the end it is not a rule, but a warning, that we don't have time and will not be able to do the refunding. 

Glad you made it clear; you should put that somewhere in the game rules section however.
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